Michael Clatze haastattelussa helmikuussa 2014

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"When God came into my life in 2003-2004, I started the process of trying to clean up my life for Christ, but I didn’t see homosexuality as part of that cleanup. As the cleanup process continued, though, I still felt unsettled, and it was at that point that I looked squarely at homosexuality, and eventually God drew me to the awareness that homosexual activity was a sin. It was at that point of awareness that I wrote, “Homosexuality is death, and I choose life.” ....

Kun Jumala tili elämäänivuosina 2003 ja 2004, aloin elämässäni "puhd.operaation." En kuitenkaan uskonut sen projektin koskevan homoseksuaalisuuttani. Puhd.projektin jatkuessa en saavuttanut rauhaa, ja tässä vaiheessa Jumala veti minut näkemään homoseksuaalisen toiminnan syntinä.
Se oli sitä luokkaa tietoisuutta, että kirjoitin:
"Homoseksuaalisuus on kuolema, valitsin elämän.  http://josephnicolosi.com/interview-with-former-gay-acti/

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Valitsin vielä tuosta jotain olennaista asiasta,  minkä Claze koki olevan asian ytimessä omassa mielessään: Nimenomaan kipua!

“I’m not lusting, I’m not dirty, I’m loving.”       -  En ole likainen,  olen vain rakastava.

Dr. N.:   “That this is just my own particular way of expressing love...”   -  Vain minun oma tapani ilmentää rakkautta.

M.G.:   Right. But when we recognize the truth, we see things differently.    Kun kohtaamme totuuden,  näemme asiat toisin.

And so now I say, “I am a whole heterosexual man; so how do I deal with these desires?” Kuinka nyt heteroseksuaalina kohtaan tätä kaipuuta?

When I look a little deeper, I see behind it a longing pain in there. I see the fact that there is a craving for something that’s missing within me.

Dr. N.:   So when you looked in the light of truth, what was behind it -- was it a pain, or was it sadness?  Surua vai kaipuuta?

M.G.:   It was pain... and I recognize the futility of the longing that comes from the pain. The longing is nothing more than an attempt to grab hold of something that I don’t actually need because I have it somewhere in myself, and I can rebuild that masculine sense of self that is somewhere inside me. But of course, anyone reading this who is in the gay mindset would say, “I don’t feel pain... I’m emotionally attracted, I feel love.”  ..en kyllä jaksa enää tänään käännellä enempiä Hyvää Yötä!